RC Slope Soaring in Hong Kong

阿麥，幫你補多張啦！我好少見飛友撞機之後仲咁好笑既！


就係呢條小路出事！呢度兩邊係叢林，只有頭頂20角度空域可以見到飛機，仲要行200米，你地話馬鞍山個凹位難定呢度難！


方案6是一個迎合各方的拆充辦法，但長遠計或在國際大賽如TR2010，人多參賽時，我地都要跟國際憒例，行遠D降落，我相信只要大家飛熟個場，第二時行個段路去降落就會慣架啦！記得初初學飛，咪又係驚餐死，現在飛熟左唔通連做D簡單既動作都驚咩！

一路行、一路放機，開始嘅時侯係唔習慣

[quote="K.Y.Mak"]一路行、一路放機，開始嘅時侯係唔習慣

首先我認為在 A B 點中間降落並不安全, 因為降落時有機會撞到 CD 和其它賽員, 一般都不會在外地比賽場出現. 而我們只有場地所限才在 A B 點中間降落. 經過上次比賽後, 我覺得分開比賽及降落場不但能增加效率, 更重要的是較為安全.

所以我贊成機手可以以個人意願選擇 2. 和 5. 不過有一些改善的空間:
1. A B 點對調, 左邊拿高度, 右邊降落
2. 右邊降落點要離開 B 點二十米以確保降落不會影響比賽及線審安全
3. 確實執行離開 B 點不能重入賽道.

Hi Stanley and fellows,

Option 6 is what I said right before the match last mouth !! (i.e. gaining height on left side while the landing on right side)

Stanley wrote:



The path in VR was flattened, no stone and grass.

Please be considerate as the new comers are green and do not like you and Ah Mak could join the world event !!

That was what I told you last month at the slope. ( Only I could tease him on behalf of the other )

BR,

As long as A/B point swaps and 20m clerance between point B and landing site is maintained, 降落和出賽是分段進行 seems unnecessary. Walking from pilot box to point B + 20m should be fine even for new comers.

Pong, MOS is not a tough path for landing when comparing with some sites in Europe. I experience some muddy path, uphill and the plane is flying behind the pilot.

Pong Pong,

Option 6 is not what you interpreted just by swaping the A/B points, please read it carefully, it's about racing and landing in rotation, not simultaneously.

Angus, I don't think swaping A/B points can fully solve the problem of landing too close to the base. Actually, there is no rule to stop pilots gaining height in A side or B side, there is no guarantee everybody would go to the hill side eventhough it is base A. For example, I myself would prefer to go to B side first then back to A side no mater whether there is a hill on A side or not.
In addition, by international convention, A side is the landing side.

Anyway, I don't object swaping A/B for the timing being, at least we are not holding international contest yet.
We can try Angus's proposed arrangement this Sunday to see whether we can push up efficient by landing and racing simultaneously, if not fall back to landing/racing by rotation as suggested in option 6.

Stanley wrote:



You finally got the point !!

Stanley wrote:



Again, that was what you acted at the slope !

Simply take your competence as a matter of course, but never consider the others (especially the new comers).

They are so hamble and would not offend you as I do.

Angus wrote:



I was not telling MOS is a tough place. I could hand catch my F3F model when landing.

You and Stanley ( also me) are already the masters, but please think about the new comers. Couples of them were the first time to play F3F last month !!

Pardon me if my words were too rough.

BR,

I support Ah Pong's proposition that we should give priority considerations to new comers especially in 1st f3f race in 2010

It is not easy to have so many passionated new comers joining f3f activities. We should allow them to have some adaption time to start with safe & easy manage landings; and progressively help them to switch to more sophsicated landing (walk-to-land)

Also assume we encourage all new comers to join Typhoon 2010, we also better provide them a more safe approach landing to minimize crash or accident so that new comers can continue this 1st race and maintain their planes till Typhoon 2010

p.s. As I said in previous post, eventually all of us need to practice and master this "walk-to-land". However, there's no need to immediate "force" new comers to equip with this skill in day-1

no need to immediate "force" new comers to equip with this skill in day-1 X 2

呢啲天氣預測真係影響工作情緒

作為新手的我,先感謝前輩們考慮到我們的經驗及技術所限,比較容易發生意外-輕側機毀重側傷及旁人… 個人認為安全至上,飛少幾個回合騰出足夠時間好讓機手出機及降或落行遠一點降落也不為過(雖然很累). 從而能保確保所有人上落平安亦能讓新手們一點時間習慣,當然不要期望我們能手接吧…

小弟支持2 及 6

阿邦，

恕我無知，我真係唔明白你指責既logic係邊！
Swap 個A/B points 同你係咪新人有關系咩？場地係死既，大家比賽是公平的，咩把個A/B點放係唔同位置對新人就不利，你話我堅持把個A點放係右邊就會對新人置諸死地，完全係bullshit無理的指控！logic何來？

我講左好多次，當日亦常試解釋，跟據國際憒例，A點是放在landing位方向那邊，原因很簡單，當飛機離開賽道後不能返回，如果A/B調換，飛機會再次進入賽道！如果係國際比賽，你就會有penalty扣分，你當日非但無幫忙解釋，依傢仲混淆視聽，話自已係大英雄，我難以理解。

我明白要步行去landing是對新人有好大危險，這才是對新人不利的因素！唔係因為A/B點互調，咩我有因為自已掂就不顧新人生死咩？咁既指控都講得出！既然已決定去個邊比賽，我可以做得咩野呀？為了避免發生意外，我已盡量叫其他機手踏住機師的膊頭行過去，幫佢睇路和留意周圍的環境，但我發覺呢樣咁重要的安全措施反而很少人去確實執行！今個星期日比賽如果新人信得我過，我願意做全職降落手，行來行去，唔做CD。做野既就比人鬧，唔做野既就做無理指控！

Don't manipulate my words!

The ultimate concern of that day from mine, was someone pushing the new comers to walk far away for landing. Whilst they were walking, another model had already launched and gaining height at the same side of the slope. Swaping base A and B would at least, give another 30 second of buffer, so that the finished pilot have sufficient time to walk, not in rush.

What you claimed "跟據國際憒例，A點是放在landing位方向那邊", is not mentioned in FAI code book !
However, the code book does mention that the organiser could set up the course in accordance with the slope's feature !
The Viking Race set the base A at the same side of landing, was decided by their organiser, and does not mean we have to follow as we are in HK.

And you said : '如果係國際比賽，你就會有penalty扣分' was not holy true. It depends on whether the next pilot has launched or not. Furthermore, how about if the finished pilot fly his model far away from the slope, say more than 500 meters in front of the slope, do you think that is crossing the track ? Nevertheless, why we allowed such crossing the track 2 months ago at High Junk Peak ??

I think that most of us would adhere to FAI code book instead of an individual.

I never manipulated your word, if fact, you manipulated my word on site that day and in here!



This argument doesn't make sense to me at all!

As I said clearly, why do we need to gain height at the same side as landing? No one force you to go to the same side as landing to gain height. You can gain height on the mountain side and fly back to dive. Everybody can do that way, it is fair to all!
Setting A side on the landing side is to avoid the argument that a plane needs to come back into the track for landing. If this is an international convention, why don't we abide to it!

To "Ox Skin Lamp Dragon"

Please read FAI code book !

It is pointless for me to explain any further.

To you, "Ox Skin Lamp Dragon"

Of course it is not in the FAI code book, but it is a common practice in international events, if you go to Viking Race, no body tell you which side is A, they only tell you where to land only, because A point is inherent in the landing side!
No point to argue anymore!

My opinion of choosing the landing site:

(I hope I am pouring water, but not oil on the fire )


FAI Class F3F (2010)

5.8 CLASS F3F - RADIO CONTROL SLOPE SOARING

5.8.14. Organisation of the Contest: The competition must be held at a site which is suitable for slope
soaring.
When marking the starting and landing areas and the turning planes, the organiser must take into
account the configuration of the terrain and the wind direction.

I cannot find a rule that requires the landing site is on the Base A side. I also cannot find a rule that does not allow the model from entering the course again.

My understanding is:

1, The organizer decides the course and the landing site. The decision is based on the slope and weather condition of the competition day. Safety is the utmost consideration.

2, If base A and B are both possible, A is prefered because it can minimize the chance of mid-air. Again, it is a safety consideration.

3, The convention of landing at the Base A side and no re-entry to the course are also for safety issue. So these conventions must not override 5.8.14 if landing at Base B side is considered more safe.


Just rememeber, at the Mickey slope of the Bwlch, we land at the field behind the course, not A nor B side! In addition to the FAI rules, there are also "local rules". The organizer has the responsibility to make sure that all competitors understand the local rules of the competition. The landing arrangement is of course part of the rules.

CM, 東風5m/s 重唔満意

C.M.,
我今個星期日唔會做CD，做多鬧多無為！我去年11月已經幫你做左一次，今次你做啦！你搵埋Kevin和燦長老幫手！

我會全職幫新人降落，歡迎有需要的飛友申請，鞠躬盡瘁！

唔好咁玩法啦
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火裡火裡去,水裡水裡去
無兩句
玩得開心d啦

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