RC Slope Soaring in Hong Kong

Ah pong,

That's enought

Lets put an end to this topic

Ah Mak,

I think the forum is to allow pilots to air their view on this hobby.

If you don't want to see what I wrote, simply skip my post and don't read it.

If other 'someone' don't want me to post anymore, simply delete my account so that I could not share my view.

Albert 講既問題係有飛機在A點附近徘徊，咩呢個問題係A/B點對調可以解決咩？當日好明顯有人就係離A點不遠處降落，包括一些資深飛友，無依指示去到舊場地降落，變左有飛機係A點附近徘徊，就算你set左個A點係另一邊，當隻機揪過B點時咪一樣有問題！有飛機走入航道就更加唔關調唔調A/B點的問題。我明白最大難處係要行過個凹位，所以問題在於點樣去克服呢個困難，唔係對調A/B點，這個作用不大。
如果各位認為對調A/B點可以解決問題的話，good我就睇下今個星期日比賽掂唔掂，我已經決定今次唔做CD，亦都唔參與made decision，你地鐘意點就點啦！

Being an adult, don't react like a boy.

What we have been talking about, are frank discussions for the betterment of the F3F sport.

Would you react like this in the meeting of your profession when someone disagrees your idea, and say :

I quit, 睇下今個星期日掂唔掂 ??

As a professional like you 大英雄, don't criticise other without a fact like
C.M. owe me once because I helped him to be a CD last year, I beg him to do the CD this time, I prefer to do what I think is more meaningful!

真有趣味性的課題 有火花才有動力 係好事

多口一句，參與者應遵從大會安排，大會執行參照大部份人願景，長遠跟国際接軌。 直情係国策咁 簡單做事，查找不足

Ah Pong,

Please allow me to air my view.

I think you have already expressed your view clearly, and I'm with you on the racing arrangements.


However, If your aim is to tease Stanley, you've already done it!


clrearly you have done that as well.

so, What's the point of Keep your bite on him?


Some of Stanley's decision may not be the best, but who is perfect?
"多做多錯,少做少錯" seems to be correct !
According to the amount of work Stanley had done for the hobby, he must have made more mistake then most pilots !

同意!! 其實我地一定會遵從大會之安排, 我們好幾位新入行 F3F 機友, 仲要慢慢實從戰中學習. 所以各大大不用怕, 我地一定會學習適應! 你地話點 Land 就點 Land! 我地唔怕試下各種安排, 而且離十月大賽咁多時間, 仲有大把時間比大家試下各種方法呢! 試左就知邊個最 WORK !

阿邦唔好唔來, 我上次架機爛左, 想請教一下你果招靚靚還原噴油方法呀!! Stanley 都要來~ 今次 CD 係你, 無左你邊掂呀! 最多我辛苦 D 拎多兩支涼茶上山比你地下一下火

各位大大, 星期日見啦!!

絕對同意此話...
"當日好明顯有人就係離A點不遠處降落，包括一些資深飛友，無依指示去到舊場地降落，變左有飛機係A點附近徘徊，就算你set左個A點係另一邊，當隻機揪過B點時咪一樣有問題！有飛機走入航道就更加唔關調唔調A/B點的問題。"
相信各機手遵照指定地點降落,已可減低不少風險吧!
我當然相信兩位大師父只是想辦好賽事,令新人們飛得開心又放心!

資料收集完畢！！
各舒己見！！(講過就得喇，無可能所有都做到)
當日CD 已收到啦！！
我地Ｄ新丁會按國際慣例，絕對性服從CD的決定及安排！！
咁好玩及刺激的F3F比賽，唔好錯過啦？？？
(WINNER話 : 齊心就事成 )
星期日好希望多Ｄ師父來提點我地！！！

我是在 A點降落的飛友之一，對大家做成不必要的心理壓力，在此向大家道謙！
我實在是太大意、沒有留意開賽前的 briefing.
以為只是在 Base-A 以外 landing, 不可再進入賽道.

比賽期間見很多機友行到很遠的地方降落，還以為是個人選擇比較易 land 的地點！！

SORRY ! !

實事求是，面對下次的運作方法吧！

1. 我＋分認同 Ah Pong 的 A-B 點對換，因大部份機手都會在 Base-A 取高度，可減少問題的發生.

2. 在此之上，我建議加上良景的降落方式.
(上周我降落時，經常都還有幾架机在舊位上空，又大霧及可能有傘在不同位置
當時比較安全的方法，是行去降落的時候，飛機在 Base-B 以外的 slope 作短距離來回飛行，以保持與飛機的目視！
但這做法對正在 Base-B 轉灣的賽機也實在是做成了危險)
良景方式,可免除多架機同時在空中等降的風險

良景方式: 剛完成比賽的飛機不可立刻降落，只可在 Base-B 外飛，因同一時間、只有它一架飛機在這空間，是安全很多的！
這時，第二個機手可以立刻出機比賽，當第2号機手完成賽程時，第2号機當時會在base-A以外
這時在 base-B 外等降的飛機，就可立刻於 Base-B 外降落.

這方法在良景試過，是又快、又安全的, 又不必走到太遠的降落位！

大家點睇？

This time I put dynamite in the fire

Please don't forget that we share the air space with the paraglider fliers. If we hold competition at the new site and land at the old site, we are actually occuping the whole ridge, not to mention there are several models waiting in the air to land.

I do not agree to land at the old site from the very beginning, no matter where A and B are located. It takes a long way (and time) to walk there which is un-necessary. In weak condition there is a potential risk of losing the sight of the low flying model. In strong condition the ridge just before the valley is turburance free. It is much more easy, fast and safe to land there than at the old site. Hover the model and land at where you want, that's it.


Stanley, I admit that I am the one who you called "資深飛友，無依指示去到舊場地降落". But I do not agree to what you said "係A點附近徘徊": My model was in front of the old site when I was on the trail. My landing were all completed in only one trial. I made no interference to the following competitors. On the other hand I was very uncomfortable when there are so many models waiting over the paraglider site far away, especially in that misty air.

If I was really "係A點附近徘徊", I probably won't lose my model last time.


"係A點附近徘徊": Please note, even though everyone lands at the old site, they can still "係A點附近徘徊" when they are walking to the site. "去舊場地降落" and "係A點附近徘徊" has no direct relation.

For the new Ma On track, I prefer base A at the pyramid side (left) and landing at the base B side. Base A is where the competition model goes in and out of the track WITH SPEED. Base B is where the model TURNS ONLY. Think again. No one would pass base B for more than 10 meters in a turn, but everyone will push hard to pass base A at the 10th leg. It is dangerous if there is someone "係A點附近徘徊".


Putting base A at left side (Pyramid hill) and land out of the track at 20m away from base B, then we have

1, Shorter walking distance
2, Less waiting time for landing, thus less model in the air and occupy smaller air space.
3, The easiest and safetest landing area in any wind condition.
4, Happy gilder pilots, happy paraglider pilots and happy models. Hopefully we have happy Pong-pong and happy Stanley too.

We lost
1, Fast rotation


So I am the CD, right? Here is the decision. No more argument.

1. 左邊(Pyramid hill, Base A), 右邊降落
2. 良景方式
3, 右邊降落點要離開 B 點二十米以確保降落不會影響比賽及線審安全
4. 確實執行離開 B 點不能重入賽道.

We can review this arrangenment after the coming competition.

SMP 內鬨 ，AKFF 唔齊人

馬鞍山之虎今次仲唔上位

This is exactly what I proposed in Option 6 except that I have reservation in swapping A/B points, although I do not object the swap.

If we choose to use 良景方式 to run the contest, swapping A/B points is meaningless to me because racing and landing is already seperated in time, a plane has to be landed before the next one to go up to gain height, what's the point?
Anyway, it is CD's decision.

I will come and join the contest, won't do CD but as a volunteer to help new comers to land if requested. Thank you!

Hi Stanley,

Don't worry. 大清幫 is probably more proficient in landing then many of us

On the other hand, can you help to calculate the mark as I do not have the PDA or program.

OK now, who is keeping the timer and poles, please bring it to the site before 8:30am. We have good wind on Sunday and it is a sin to start late.

Competition will be started SHARP at 9:00am. For completed rounds, there will be no reflight arrangement for late comers.

今次我呢個年青人都睇得明你講匆啦
但可能有啲 "80後" 會唔明！
WINNER = n年前嘅一隊"溫那樂隊"，其中一首歌有歌詞 "齊心就事成"


我都絕對(唔包括"性")服從新上位CD的決定

雖然今個星期日比賽我唔做CD，亦唔會make任何decision，但我會繼續為我既理想奮鬥！
“增取racing和landing區域劃分，同時進行，增加效率，加快比賽節奏，用以容納更多飛友比賽，並與國際慣例接軌”

由於今次比賽人數眾多，可能超過30人，如用良景方式racing和landing分時段進行, 節奏會好慢，失去了搬過去新場地比賽的最大目的，我個人會選擇繼續行去舊場地降落，遠離賽道，隨後出機的飛友不需等待我降落，可即時起飛，為大會省回一、兩分鐘的時間，加快節奏，我在此亦呼諭有能力的資深飛友，也行去舊場降落！如果你們能夠做得到，實制上是幫助新人去增加出賽的機會，使他們更了解國際比賽的專業運作，謝謝！

最後這是我的感想
要達到我上面所述的理想(認同者可繼續看，不認同者可以不看)，歸根究底，解決的方案是如何為較弱勢的飛友提高能力和安全地行去降落，例如幫他們拿控行過去後降落或過去後由他自已降落，踏住他們膊頭行過去，等等。不是因為一時錯折就指責話安排失誤，無錯過河係要慢慢摸索，有時要退一步，但退一步之餘，我亦希望各位思考解決問題的根源-為較弱勢的飛友提高能力和安全地行去降落

set back 是另外一個進步的開始，我希望各位繼續努力！


還有，以我的經驗，如果A點在大金鐘那邊，出機後30秒在A點增取高度的飛機會太接近山，被迫提早轉向，不足20秒便要闖場，事先講明，唔係馬後炮。

贊成 我都會行去舊場地降落, 始終降落較為理想

5.8.6. Cancellation of a Flight: A flight is official when an attempt is carried out, whatever result is
obtained.
A flight is official but gets a zero score if:
a) the competitor used a model not conforming to FAI rules;
b) the model loses any part while airborne;
c) the helper advises the competitor during the timed flight;
d) the model is controlled by anyone other than the competitor;
e) the flight is not carried through;
f) the model lands outside the assigned landing area;
g) the model is not launched within 30 seconds from the moment the starting order is given.
h) the model (i.e. the centre of gravity) fails to pass above a horizontal plane, level with the
starting area, within five seconds of exiting the course.


1月10日係正式比賽，所有賽例嚴格執行。

1. Assigned landing areas are not defined yet. I propose and vote to have two designated landing areas. Please vote!

2. Point d) may be interpreted as the pilot who controls the model during the racing flight only, once the timing is completed, someone can help him to land. In fact, this is a common practice in US, Joe Wurt used to be appointed to land planes for other less competent pilots.

我不贊成 ！

Stanley 你記得上次非正式比實中＇你是12号＇而我是13号嗎？
每次我飛完之後，你都還是在行去舊場的途中
就是因為個天空被其它機用左，我當時只好在舊base-A外來回飛行！等待降落的機會
你現在就有能力，於下一個機手要用這部份天空之前，完成你的降落嗎？

我記得當時我降落後、拿了機回到基地時，你還是在舊場的回途中呢！

這是慢、不是快
而且影響下一個機手使用天空＇這對跟在你後面的機手不公平啊

你幫其他機手Land ? 咁咪有排等？ 唔好講笑啦！

我地計吓數啦 :
出機 30秒 + 40-55秒飛行時間，然後呢個機手就要用 landing 空間，這是85秒
85秒你都未行得到去舊場、點幫人飛架機過去、完成landing、又要行返黎！
結果咪又係滿天等降落嘅飛機羅！ 行唔通