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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:39 am 
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在香港玩F3F的飛友不多,數埋都只有十幾人,而且都是玩了好幾年,熟口熟面,但過去幾年都無咩新人加入,舊人老化,新人無繼,沒有潛質的新星加入,水準停濟不前,長此以往,這些活動很難維持。
請問各位有何高見可以吸引和鼓勵多些飛友來玩F3F?

招收徒第這一招都無人問,唉! :cry:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:01 pm 
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I feel the same :? Even for existing F3F flyers, their participants looks dropping as well :(

Just some ideas :idea:

a. Arrange "attractive" 新人獎 :idea: In fact, don't know why other types of flying activities like EPP always offer more attractive awards when compare to F3F :!:

b. Organize 60" F3F could be helpful since in the past, we all started with 60" :o However, not sure if 60" is still popular anymore :?

c. Talk to Taiwan flying friends to learn how they make F3F so popular in Taiwan 8)


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台灣飛友們在比賽完F3F後都會聚在一起大吃一餐,賽後撿討,有講有笑!這樣可增加疑聚力。香港飛友比賽完之後就雞咁腳走,各散東西,趕番去餵妻!這樣怎能吸引新人即極參與。 :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:22 pm 

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Stanley wrote:
台灣飛友們在比賽完F3F後都會聚在一起大吃一餐,賽後撿討,有講有笑!這樣可增加疑聚力。香港飛友比賽完之後就雞咁腳走,各散東西,趕番去餵妻!這樣怎能吸引新人即極參與。 :twisted:

哈哈,終於有人講出原因啦


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:25 pm 

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Stanley wrote:
在香港玩F3F的飛友不多,數埋都只有十幾人,而且都是玩了好幾年,熟口熟面,但過去幾年都無咩新人加入,舊人老化,新人無繼,沒有潛質的新星加入,水準停濟不前,長此以往,這些活動很難維持。
請問各位有何高見可以吸引和鼓勵多些飛友來玩F3F?

招收徒第這一招都無人問,唉! :cry:

要有新人加入玩F3F應該由60寸開始,因為大機價錢太貴,好快又炒一隻,好難向家人交代,應該攪多啲60寸嘅賽事,但係細機NYS又話唔出產喇,咁就應該訂啲另類嘅60寸纖維機返黎,由淺入深。比完賽大吃一餐呢個提議我覺得唔錯。


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其實,以我為例,以新手來講,初加入F3F,感到無乜高手願意照顧新手,連個控都唔識攪,加速要開SPEED OFS都唔知,嘥咗幾年時間,所以就算有新手有興趣玩咗一兩年都停咗,變咗無興趣啦


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:08 am 
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噢!咁就真係幾慘!

不過我覺得其實並不一定是那些高手唔願意指導新人,我覺得好多時是香港人的性格問題。
我唔知點講,台灣飛友和香港飛友我覺得不同之處是﹔台灣人比較不拘小節什麼都可以講餐飽,舊人教新人,新人問舊人非常之平常、開放。時常都聽到他們有很多師傅和徒第。

香港人好似比較含畜,如果新人唔問,舊人好多時都唔會主動指點,其中原因可能是怕被人誤會自已冷醒,辦大佬!加上香港人一般都好被動怕問問題,錯了會好淤,所以就造成無溝通自已去摸索,最後變成無參與群體的活動,各自飛,無交流的局面。

為吸引新人參與F3F,我覺得其中一個可行的方案是辦一些如F3F初學班,F3F clinic之類的活動,請有興趣玩F3F的飛友來,再由有經驗的飛友就實地講解F3F的飛法、原理和各類set up的要訣,有問有答,試飛講解。這樣比較搞個60寸比賽更有效。最近美國加洲也有人了個F3F clinic,似乎很成功,吸引了一班新進。有冇人有興趣搞番個咁既活動啊?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:45 am 

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Stanley wrote:
噢!咁就真係幾慘!

不過我覺得其實並不一定是那些高手唔願意指導新人,我覺得好多時是香港人的性格問題。
我唔知點講,台灣飛友和香港飛友我覺得不同之處是﹔台灣人比較不拘小節什麼都可以講餐飽,舊人教新人,新人問舊人非常之平常、開放。時常都聽到他們有很多師傅和徒第。

香港人好似比較含畜,如果新人唔問,舊人好多時都唔會主動指點,其中原因可能是怕被人誤會自已冷醒,辦大佬!加上香港人一般都好被動怕問問題,錯了會好淤,所以就造成無溝通自已去摸索,最後變成無參與群體的活動,各自飛,無交流的局面。

為吸引新人參與F3F,我覺得其中一個可行的方案是辦一些如F3F初學班,F3F clinic之類的活動,請有興趣玩F3F的飛友來,再由有經驗的飛友就實地講解F3F的飛法、原理和各類set up的要訣,有問有答,試飛講解。這樣比較搞個60寸比賽更有效。最近美國加洲也有人了個F3F clinic,似乎很成功,吸引了一班新進。有冇人有興趣搞番個咁既活動啊?

言之有理,我好贊成你嘅構思,因為可以減低炒機嘅風險,信心同埋興趣大增。吸引新手嘅成功率大大提高,至於點樣搞呢個咁嘅活動不如就下次開會嘅時候詳細講講啦!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:15 pm 
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我都同好多机友談論過這問題, 發覺最大問題在於
價錢. 現時一部F3F機約$8000-$12000, 這價錢
確實令人卻步, 如果可以降低入門價, 相信會有
更多机友upgrade玩大机.
建議1) 以較低價錢多點推出二手机.
建議2) 以模型會名義以較低價格訂購一批入門机
(如 Preditor)

相信如果可降低門檻再加上Stanley提議的clinic,
Wing 提議的新人獎等雙管齊下, 應會有更多人有興趣.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:00 pm 
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台灣飛友有個不名聞規定,就是每場贏了F3F聯賽的冠、亞、季軍和速男各捐出一些錢,在比賽後當晚一齊到酒樓大食一餐,開開心心。贏左既飛友唔會計較出錢,拿唔到獎牌的飛友又可以食番餐,幾好呀!不如我地都這樣安排,希望大家賽後可以聚聚,新人又較容易融入。

我初步的構思是得獎者各出錢如下:

冠軍 - $200
亞軍 - $150
季軍 - $100
速男 - $150
冠軍加速男 - $300
亞軍加速男 - $250
季軍加速男 - $200

集合這些錢之後就到附近酒樓大食一餐,不足餘款就到會者平均分擔。
有冇人贊成或反對啊?

至於集體名義買平機如 Predator,就要搵廠商傾傾,我相信如果個量夠大的話,應該可以拿到好的拆扣優惠,$4000左右可能有交易,阿堅點睇啊?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Donny wrote:
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現時一部F3F機約$8000-$12000, 這價錢
確實令人卻步, 如果可以降低入門價, 相信會有
更多机友upgrade玩大机.


Hi donny,

I agree that the entry price for a standard F3F ship is expensive, but disagree that the pilot would upgrade to big plane when the price going downward. Nevertheless, even they buy a 3 meters plane, it does not mean they would join the game.


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可否以會的名義買一隻F3F機, 一來可以用以教授F3F技術, 二來可讓新人用做比賽. 這樣新人不耍立即用八千元買機而又能試到F3F的感覺, 培養到興趣後才決定買機.

F3F機一般很少在飛行中損壞, 多數炒機都在降落時做成, 如果降落由師傅協助, 傷亡應該很低, 所以會亦不需投入大量金錢.


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Ah Pong wrote:
I agree that the entry price for a standard F3F ship is expensive, but disagree that the pilot would upgrade to big plane when the price going downward. Nevertheless, even they buy a 3 meters plane, it does not mean they would join the game.


邦邦,個病好番D未呀!一出黎就disagree哪!
OK,講


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:16 am 
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Stanley,
係呀!個會係有資源可以做多啲野。你亦講得好正確,資源係應該公平地用在會的各組別。

三月HKRCSS將會開會。請各會員到場題出意見,一同合力把會的活動做得更好。


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:48 pm 

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李文 wrote:
Stanley wrote:
在香港玩F3F的飛友不多,數埋都只有十幾人,而且都是玩了好幾年,熟口熟面,但過去幾年都無咩新人加入,舊人老化,新人無繼,沒有潛質的新星加入,水準停濟不前,長此以往,這些活動很難維持。
請問各位有何高見可以吸引和鼓勵多些飛友來玩F3F?

招收徒第這一招都無人問,唉! :cry:

要有新人加入玩F3F應該由60寸開始,因為大機價錢太貴,好快又炒一隻,好難向家人交代,應該攪多啲60寸嘅賽事,但係細機NYS又話唔出產喇,咁就應該訂啲另類嘅60寸纖維機返黎,由淺入深。比完賽大吃一餐呢個提議我覺得唔錯。


呢點小弟最認同, 我都係


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:29 pm 
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[quote="Alan389"]

呢點小弟最認同, 我都係


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我作為新手係想試1.5m先,稍後再考慮進級3m!
如前輩們有二手1.5m機的話 (最理想係細N)
請電-61362989 Ken :D


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其實間中都有二手F3F賽機出讓,如果有興趣可以直接提出想要隻什麼機,可能有意外收穫呢!
但二手機並不一定平宜。依傢大陸製的F3F機咁平,等於買兩隻60寸機咁上下價錢,已經比二手機更值得考慮。老實講,玩60寸機其實仲花錢過大機,因為60寸機較粗玩,容易撞爛,以我為例,我咁多年起碼撞爛報燒左4隻MiniNYX,5隻Shooting Star,4隻Banana,但大F3F機我未撞爛報燒過一隻,除左係龍蝦灣唔見左一隻Aris,其他受傷機全部都可修補再飛或出讓!咁你話玩60寸機敗家定玩大F3F機敗家!


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首先以我無利潤的情況,都只是4800hk左右,尾數我包左喇!以經是地球上最平而有表現之作!無其它選擇!


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Stanley wrote:
老實講,玩60寸機其實仲花錢過大機,因為60寸機較粗玩,容易撞爛,以我為例,我咁多年起碼撞爛報燒左4隻MiniNYX,5隻Shooting Star,4隻Banana,但大F3F機我未撞爛報燒過一隻!


係呀! 大機容易控制。真係貴買、平玩。
咁多年來,我啲大機全部都還在我的飛行隊伍中服務 :D

Touch wood :!:


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[quote="Stanley"]台灣飛友有個不名聞規定,就是每場贏了F3F聯賽的冠、亞、季軍和速男各捐出一些錢,在比賽後當晚一齊到酒樓大食一餐,開開心心。贏左既飛友唔會計較出錢,拿唔到獎牌的飛友又可以食番餐,幾好呀!不如我地都這樣安排,希望大家賽後可以聚聚,新人又較容易融入。

我初步的構思是得獎者各出錢如下:

冠軍 - $200
亞軍 - $150
季軍 - $100
速男 - $150
冠軍加速男 - $300
亞軍加速男 - $250
季軍加速男 - $200

集合這些錢之後就到附近酒樓大食一餐,不足餘款就到會者平均分擔。
有冇人贊成或反對啊?

:lol: 有興趣 :lol:


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小燦 wrote:
Stanley wrote:
台灣飛友有個不名聞規定,就是每場贏了F3F聯賽的冠、亞、季軍和速男各捐出一些錢,在比賽後當晚一齊到酒樓大食一餐,開開心心。贏左既飛友唔會計較出錢,拿唔到獎牌的飛友又可以食番餐,幾好呀!不如我地都這樣安排,希望大家賽後可以聚聚,新人又較容易融入。

我初步的構思是得獎者各出錢如下:

冠軍 - $200
亞軍 - $150
季軍 - $100
速男 - $150
冠軍加速男 - $300
亞軍加速男 - $250
季軍加速男 - $200

集合這些錢之後就到附近酒樓大食一餐,不足餘款就到會者平均分擔。
有冇人贊成或反對啊?

:lol: 有興趣 :lol:


十分贊成 & 極有興趣 :wink:


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咁要 stanley 贊成先得,哈哈!!


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