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Any change to the F3F league rules for year 2010?
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Author:  Stanley [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Any change to the F3F league rules for year 2010?
經過一年緊張刺激的F3F聯賽，最後一場今個星期日比賽之後，我們又要為明年的聯賽做準備。
請問各位飛友對去年聯賽的安排上有何意見，比賽規則有冇需要修改的地方？
http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html

我個人希望有以下幾點可以考慮改變，請各位提供意見：

1. 比賽日期可否改回到每個月的第二個星期日
2. 在rule 1.3 關於 incomplete race有沒有改善空間，例如可否在隨後一個星期日續賽，因為如果辛辛苦苦飛了三個回合而成績全部取消，好似有些不值，加上好多時因為為了完成4個回合的賽事，最後幾位飛友會受壓力被迫在極差的風況下完成任務，唔公平，如果可以續賽，就無咁緊張。
3. 由於越來越多新的飛友參加比賽，他們需要一段時間磨練才能拿到獎牌，加上有些資深飛友長期高據獎牌鎊頭幾名位置，可能使他們棄磊，我見意設立一些新人獎和進步獎以作鼓勵。你們有冇意見？如果贊成，怎樣認定那些飛友才可以拿這些獎牌呢？
Author:  CM Cheng [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any change to the F3F league rules for year 2010?
Stanley wrote:
經過一年緊張刺激的F3F聯賽，最後一場今個星期日比賽之後，我們又要為明年的聯賽做準備。
請問各位飛友對去年聯賽的安排上有何意見，比賽規則有冇需要修改的地方？
http://www.hkrcss.org/F3FGroup/HKF3F_league_rules.html

我個人希望有以下幾點可以考慮改變，請各位提供意見：

1. 比賽日期可否改回到每個月的第二個星期日
2. 在rule 1.3 關於 incomplete race有沒有改善空間，例如可否在隨後一個星期日續賽，因為如果辛辛苦苦飛了三個回合而成績全部取消，好似有些不值，加上好多時因為為了完成4個回合的賽事，最後幾位飛友會受壓力被迫在極差的風況下完成任務，唔公平，如果可以續賽，就無咁緊張。
3. 由於越來越多新的飛友參加比賽，他們需要一段時間磨練才能拿到獎牌，加上有些資深飛友長期高據獎牌鎊頭幾名位置，可能使他們棄磊，我見意設立一些新人獎和進步獎以作鼓勵。你們有冇意見？如果贊成，怎樣認定那些飛友才可以拿這些獎牌呢？


1, I am happy with any of the Sundays. As I know we chose the 3rd Sunday to avoid running on the same day / week of the Taiwan league. Is there any reason for changing it?

2, If there are already other activities scheduled on the coming Sunday, it will be unfair to those who have planned to join.

3, I have been on the last of the list for many years but I still enjoy F3F. Do you know it is our goal to beat you guys at the top? :lol: :twisted: "新人獎"/"進步獎" means nothing to me. (My opinion only :) )
Author:  Kenneth Chan [ Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:56 pm ]
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贊成!贊成!!!"新人獎"/"進步獎"(老人獎...)總知越多獎就越好玩!好似EPP空戰都有"折墮獎":lol:
不如整個"大難不死獎(最少炒機/爛機)";""全年炒機最多獎";"全年Total lost機最多獎"...最緊要好玩! :D
Author:  Kolosun [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:01 am ]
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Kenneth Chan wrote:
贊成!贊成!!!"新人獎"/"進步獎"(老人獎...)總知越多獎就越好玩!好似EPP空戰都有"折墮獎":lol:
不如整個"大難不死獎(最少炒機/爛機)";""全年炒機最多獎";"全年Total lost機最多獎"...最緊要好玩! :D

咁都得獎又好似兒戲Ｄ喎！
得獎要實至名歸先好！
如ＣＭ所言，佢咪冇新人獎囉！
Author:  K.Y.Mak [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:33 am ]
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I agree with CM's points.
Author:  Wing [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:37 am ]
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+1 agree with CM & Ah Mak :o
Author:  Stanley [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:00 pm ]
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改在每月第二個星期日比賽是因為第三個星期日有很多假日，例如冬至，聖誕，等等。至於跟台灣方面撞期，我相信也不必太大考慮，因為他們的期也是隨時變的！

我提出幾點只是給大家討論下，你們還有冇其他改善的建議？

另外一個問題我發覺是每月指定的工作人員有時太過散慢，很多次比賽都比預期的開賽時間遲了個多鐘頭，另外儀器，旗捍等等設備處置也頗混亂，有冇改善的空間呢？
Author:  K.Y.Mak [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:39 pm ]
Post subject: 
Stanley wrote:
另外一個問題我發覺是每月指定的工作人員有時太過散慢，很多次比賽都比預期的開賽時間遲了個多鐘頭，另外儀器，旗捍等等設備處置也頗混亂，有冇改善的空間呢？


I belive in "Not to fix it if it's working fine".
The old system for the winners to handle the equipments have been running well, because everyone will know who has the equipments for the next race.
Also, people don't mind to take care of the equipments, because everyone whats to win !
Author:  Stanley [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:54 pm ]
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Ah Mak,

I don't think the system is working perfectly. To be honest, in many occasions, we have to wait for the poles or the timing gear to arrive before we can start the contest. As a result, the contests were started usually one or two hour late. We have to enforce everything because lossing a bit of this and that will utimately accumulate to a long delay. :cry: :cry:
Author:  K.Y.Mak [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:43 pm ]
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Sure ! We are not living in a perfect world.

What's your seggestion ? :roll:
Author:  K.Y.Mak [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:48 pm ]
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My Aris and NYX are still waiting for repair.

I'll bring my Race-M to MOS for some re-training on Saturday afternoon.

Anyone's going as well ?

There seems to be some road blocks around MOS, does it affect our access to the mountain ?
Author:  hendry [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:22 pm ]
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road blocks around MOS read this
http://www.td.gov.hk/filemanager/tc/content_2099/sha%20tin%20-%20leaflet%20(8%20folds).pdf
Author:  Alan389 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:14 am ]
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我覺得應該多設獎項, 更有推動力及鼓勵作用, 新手如果次次包尾都好 Hurt, 賽車都有新手賽, 樂壇又有新人表現獎, 拳擊都有級別之分, 目標太遠好易令人放棄!
*以上純屬個人意見, 如果有錯請多多包涵"
Author:  Angus [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:29 am ]
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My opinions are as follow:

1. League race at 2nd Sunday - It is fine as most of the Taiwan league races are held on 1st or 3rd Sat this year.

2. F3F equipment - There are a lot of confusion because the roster rotates frequently and one can hardly remember his position. One group of 4 can handle equipment for a quarter, i.e. 3 months and group assignment is based on team, e.g. SMP, AKFF... + 1 more member for easy reference. I'd suggest HKRCSS F3F group handles equipment maintenance.

3. CD Roster - If team rotation is adopted, one member from the team shall take up the CD role.

4. Race continuation - Same as origin rules.

5. New pilots award - Yes, for 1st year league race of new pilots. We can present the best new pilot award in AGM together with league champion, 1st runners up, 2nd runners up and the fastest time. Other awards are not common in official F3F competitions.
Author:  Alan389 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:01 pm ]
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多謝 Angus 師兄的建議及認同, 一於定下目標, 勤加練習
喂 ! "高佬生" 重唔快d call 齊你班兄弟一齊參加
Author:  Kolosun [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:09 pm ]
Post subject: 
Alan389 wrote:
多謝 Angus 師兄的建議及認同, 一於定下目標, 勤加練習
喂 ! "高佬生" 重唔快d call 齊你班兄弟一齊參加

明天Ｄ兄弟到齊參加比賽，怕你唔來呢！！
Author:  Stanley [ Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:20 pm ]
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2010年聯賽的時間表已經出爐！
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基本上是每個月的第二個星期日比賽，除了2月和5月例外。2月第二個禮拜是大年初一，所以改到2月21日才舉行。5月7日至14是Viking Race，所以延期至5月23號才舉行。
10月的聯賽就以2010年Typhoon Race成積計算，不會再搞一場10月賽。

還有，今年工作人員的安排也有多少改變，基本上當日付責的人員是同隊的隊員(3位)，由於現在可以數得出的隊只有幾隊，所以每隊基本上是需要付責兩次比賽！
有些隊還未有隊名，如果有飛友還未組隊的話，請盡快組隊！

今年將會加設一個F3F新秀獎和隊際獎，過去大部份時間未有參加過香港F3F聯賽的飛友就有資格，年度最好成積的新秀就會得獎。隊際獎就以全年成積最好的一隊得獎。獎項將會在HKRCSS週年大會上頒發。

各位飛友如有何意見，請盡快提出！ :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  Wing [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:21 pm ]
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Thanks Stanley :o

I am fine with supporting the roles of CD / Helper as scheduled in the above. But not for the purpose of team scoring; still want stay as individual player at this stage rather than stick to any teams :o

Also some ideas to share for everyone's considerations :

1. CD & Helpers

I think in the past two years this arrangement helped to train up all of us on how to run a F3F race from setting up equipment to acting the CD and making difficult situtaions. If we want train up more "new comers" to have this capability, it may be helpful to assign some new team members to these 6 teams so that experienced F3Fers can train them up as well (e.g. stick a new pilot to SMP, or AKFF etc and take out one from old-member them - just for this equipement arrangement and not for team scoring)

2. Typhoon race 2010

a. Based on the experience of Typhoon race in Taiwan, I think the Taiwan organizer were very successful in recruiting helpers to run the contest so that all participating pilots in Taiwan can stay focus on the race without worrying the contest support work ... see if we can find helpers so that HK top pilots can free up, 100% concentrate on the race

b. Assume there will be limited seats for HK pilots, what will be qualification mechanism for selecting pilots from HK ? By this year league result, luck draw or ... ? are we going to host qualifciation round for those "new HK pilots" so that any black horse can join as well ? If so, better announce asap so that they can prepare ahead

Just my 0.02 :o


Wing
Author:  Stanley [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:02 pm ]
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Ok, if you guys not happy with the proposed schedule and team grouping, I have worked out another schedule which involved more new comers

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My idea is to get the most experience F3F people as CD, less experience but have been with us for a year or so as the co-CD, new comers as helpers. This will ensure that a team of workers composes of experience and new F3F pilots, so the knowledge in running the contest will pass on and everybody got involved somehow. There will certainly be more new comers later, so the helpers for the last few months have not been filled up yet. Pilots from the second tier group basically need to work two times.

What do you guys prefer, schedule 1 or schedule 2?

Regarding the dedicated helpers for Typhoon Race, it depends on the financial as well as human resource we have; we will discuss this in the next organizing committee meeting.

Regarding the qualification of HK pilots joining Typhoon Race 2010, we have discussed this issue before; we believe that the contest can accommodate a large number of HK pilots, particularly, if there are not too many foreign pilots joining the contest. Anyway, we will monitor and discuss this issue in the organizing committee meetings.
Author:  Wing [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:56 am ]
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Thanks Stanley for proposing schedule 2 which looks very good in balancing the support and coaching more F3Fer(s) :o

Let's hear more feedback from other F3F pilots 8)

Also I think no matter schedule 1 or schedule 2, for those nominiated members in case anyone of them NOT available; they should idenitfy a backup member few days in advance before the race to ensure sufficient hands to prep the race :o
Author:  Stanley [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:25 pm ]
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各位飛友，你地點睇呀？
要schedule 1 還是 schedule 2 呀？
早點決定，便可把工作人員表登出，好攘明年比賽順順利利！
Author:  K.Y.Mak [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:32 pm ]
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Stanley wrote:
各位飛友，你地點睇呀？
要schedule 1 還是 schedule 2 呀？
早點決定，便可把工作人員表登出，好攘明年比賽順順利利！


support schedule 2 :!:
Author:  donny [ Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:11 am ]
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K.Y.Mak wrote:
Stanley wrote:
各位飛友，你地點睇呀？
要schedule 1 還是 schedule 2 呀？
早點決定，便可把工作人員表登出，好攘明年比賽順順利利！


support schedule 2 :!:


support schedule 2 x2
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